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LUL Pay & Night Tube Survey

LUL Pay & Night Tube Survey

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The results of the informal text survey are below

151 Accept

120 Reject

This will be reported back at the Reps meeting tomorrow. Many thanks for completing the survey.

113 People left comments, here they are below and we will be taking note of all of them and getting back to you with answers to some of the questions raised

Yes I think it is respectable. Could be worse could have no job.
Would prefer a shorter term offer as long term offers tie you in with no room for negotiations
Work life Balance for night workers.
Why wasn’t. The fact that outside contractors are still doing our work. And why wasn’t it added into the deal
Why should we accept less than our previous deal which was designed to butter us up for the Olympics? Considering the Olympics was a 6 week period and Night Tube is a permanent change to our work life balance we should be getting at a minimum the same deal
Why is it not rpi plus a quarter or a half and why is it not a flat 2% as 1% plus 500 means you do net get the extra 1% on overtime done and does the 500 £ go on your salary
Who decides that night tube is ‘successful ‘? They could just refuse us the extra night tube bonus regardless of whether it actually works or not? ?
We work hard we should have a pay rise for all works We work hard we should have a pay rise for all works We work hard we should have a pay rise for all works
We will have lost more money than the rise is worth at this rate. I know people taking pay cuts or not getting anything at all….
We save our powder for the bigger battles ahead.
We have been told for years that we can’t have more than the private sector now we’re told we can’t even have that.
Try to show interest in track staff and not just fleet and signals
TOO MUCH SEEMS UNRESOLVED
Too long
To low the changes they are making
To be quit honest
This is a good offer! For signals there is a commitment not to get anyone to change shifts fewer maintenance hours available whichlends itself to suggesting that they will require more staff or provide more progressive training. Then they are giving people between 1.7% and 2.4% increase to do it this year. I am really happy with that
Think it a goo offer and rmt held out well for it. Can’t imagine it being any better than that . Thanks
They have to honour the agreement
There is a budget which tfl lose in 2018/19. Will we be attacked after this deal? We usually only agree 3 years and not 4.. why?
The pay is acceptable if the issues could be separated the deal would be acceptable. The pay is acceptable if the issues could be separated the deal would be acceptable.
The night tube will fail
The amount of money in total we are losing over all the strikes will probably be more than the pay increase anyway
Sunday’s are very much a family day – I can’t see family friendly or work life balance in forcing employees to change shift patterns that they have worked for over many years
Strike … !!
Stop insisting that we strike
Should not be a one off payment   rather an increase in your pay
Should have been kept separate
Should ge guarantee Glen Harts position
Seems to cover all the issues
Seems fair
Period … !!Strike … !!
Only when people were getting pay cuts and no pay rises we did
Not really
Not everything is about the drivers. You want to do and effective strike do on a patrol night.. Nothing will move for 2 days
Not enough … !!
Not as much as would have hoped. Feel track and signals have been sold short as were majorly affected having to move Sunday to Thursday. Even if it’s voluntary it’s just delaying the innevitable and killing any overtime etc.
Not acceptable … !!
Not a fair pay at all.
No more Friday night working
No its shite
No bonus give us 2%
My shift pattern is changing to Sunday to Thursday nights so I will no longer be able to enjoy a pint with my Sunday roast. This will impact on my family and social life.
More money
More investment for training support staff.
More action
Members are of mixed opinions
It’s only just acceptable pay-wise would like to see when night tube extends to other lines what the working time plan is for night maintenance staff.
It’s not enough
It’s far too low but I keep going on strike when others go into  work so I’m piss ed off.
Ithink its an ok deal as they have had subsidies cut.
It could of been done a lot sooner
Is there anything on offer for those staff who’s rosters will be affected
In the present climate i think its the best we can do. We must stay strong for the battles over the casualisation of staff and section 15 but this time we need to accept the offer and move on.
In the current climate it secures us a pay rise over 4 years I seem to be acceptable
In regards to the back dated pay offer. We should also request a tax free sum in addition as compensation for such a lengthy delay in the pay Negotiations. (10 months to date)
If you go Sunday to Thursday will we still have a frame work agreement that is in place and are we gaurenteed of no future change in our roster
I would of loved a 4 day week deal.
I work for s and e and haven’t received much information about how night tube will affect my shift  which is permanent nights Monday to Friday
I think we should not sign up to a four year deal. 2 at the most
I think this is a good offer
I think the 1st year pay offer should be 2% for all rather than an average
I think it’s a pay CUT not a pay rise
I feel sorry for station staff there rosters are awful but shame on ASLEF for calling off the action too soon and without the other unions
I don’t believe that to go ahead with the strike when ASLEF have suspended is productive or beneficial. Suspend whilst the unions consider their response
I do not know what the pay offer is as nobody has explained anything to me.
Good offer in this current times
Good negotion – well done
Going on to long .plus we are losing money by striking .no wim position.
Except offer
Due to the state of world economys and the likelyhood of another financial crisis soon this offer is looking worth while accepting. If a crisis hits you can bet we will get nothing or considerably less.
Drivers sold us out
Don’t think track or signals are getting anything out of it
Don’t think that it’s a good enough offer and especially don’t think we should be tied into a 4 year deal
Don’t believe that the company would  improve on current offer
Disgusting
Could be better but we have to look at the bigger picture outsourcing track work
Can’t agree to a multi year deal unless it suits all members
Be sensible
Are we agreeing to night tube conditions by accepting this deal?  Will they change our conditions later?
All operations employee should get back payed due to not having a pay rise
All negotiations have been more directed for drivers with very little consideration for other divisions within LU
Accept and carry on..
Above inflation by at least 1pc on our basic wage would be acceptable to me.
£500pa for those effected
£500 bonus to change our shift for the rest of our career is not good enough. I can make that in a couple of OT shifts on a Sunday night which I will no longer be able to do.
a guaranteed 1% is not what we went on strike for in Engineering it is about the money. yes they will be coming for us in the next round of FFtF but until then it is about the money. Now we have hope that RPI will make us look respectable for the next 3 years.
4day week please
4 years is too long until we actually get a pay rise having. Raised the customer satisfaction bonus so that we can no longer meet the target the £500 night tube bonus is only money we would of normally. Received so in effect they get night tube for nothing
4 day week would’ve been nice
4 day week longer shifts
4 day week for signals teams aswell as train drivers
3% on the 1st year would have been nice in line with other industries
3% and 2% and rpi following year
3 yr deal preferred
2%like network rail this year then 1% 2nd and 3ed year.4 year deal to long.
2% minimum 2%like network rail this year then 1% 2nd and 3ed year.4 year deal to long.3 yr deal preferred3% and 2% and rpi following year 3% on the 1st year would have been nice in line with other industries 4 day week for signals teams aswell as train drivers4 day week longer shifts 4 day week would’ve been nice4 years is too long until we actually get a pay rise having. Raised the customer satisfaction bonus so that we can no longer meet the target the £500 night tube bonus is only money we would of normally. Received so in effect they get night tube for nothing4day week pleasea guaranteed 1% is not what we went on strike for in Engineering it is about the money. yes they will be coming for us in the next round of FFtF but until then it is about the money. Now we have hope that RPI will make us look respectable for the next 3 years.£500 bonus to change our shift for the rest of our career is not good enough. I can make that in a couple of OT shifts on a Sunday night which I will no longer be able to do.£500pa for those effected Above inflation by at least 1pc on our basic wage would be acceptable to me.Accept and carry on..All negotiations have been more directed for drivers with very little consideration for other divisions within LUAll operations employee should get back payed due to not having a pay riseAre we agreeing to night tube conditions by accepting this deal?  Will they change our conditions later?Be sensible Can’t agree to a multi year deal unless it suits all membersCould be better but we have to look at the bigger picture outsourcing track work DisgustingDon’t believe that the company would  improve on current offer Don’t think that it’s a good enough offer and especially don’t think we should be tied into a 4 year dealDon’t think track or signals are getting anything out of it Drivers sold us outDue to the state of world economys and the likelyhood of another financial crisis soon this offer is looking worth while accepting. If a crisis hits you can bet we will get nothing or considerably less.Except offerGoing on to long .plus we are losing money by striking .no wim position.Good negotion – well doneGood offer in this current timesI do not know what the pay offer is as nobody has explained anything to me.I don’t believe that to go ahead with the strike when ASLEF have suspended is productive or beneficial. Suspend whilst the unions consider their responseI feel sorry for station staff there rosters are awful but shame on ASLEF for calling off the action too soon and without the other unionsI think it’s a pay CUT not a pay rise I think the 1st year pay offer should be 2% for all rather than an average I think this is a good offer I think we should not sign up to a four year deal. 2 at the mostI work for s and e and haven’t received much information about how night tube will affect my shift  which is permanent nights Monday to Friday I would of loved a 4 day week deal. If you go Sunday to Thursday will we still have a frame work agreement that is in place and are we gaurenteed of no future change in our roster In regards to the back dated pay offer. We should also request a tax free sum in addition as compensation for such a lengthy delay in the pay Negotiations. (10 months to date)In the current climate it secures us a pay rise over 4 years I seem to be acceptable In the present climate i think its the best we can do. We must stay strong for the battles over the casualisation of staff and section 15 but this time we need to accept the offer and move on.Is there anything on offer for those staff who’s rosters will be affected It could of been done a lot soonerIthink its an ok deal as they have had subsidies cut. It’s far too low but I keep going on strike when others go into  work so I’m piss ed off.It’s not enoughIt’s only just acceptable pay-wise would like to see when night tube extends to other lines what the working time plan is for night maintenance staff.Members are of mixed opinions More action More investment for training support staff. More moneyMy shift pattern is changing to Sunday to Thursday nights so I will no longer be able to enjoy a pint with my Sunday roast. This will impact on my family and social life. No bonus give us 2% No its shiteNo more Friday night workingNot a fair pay at all.Not acceptable … !!Not as much as would have hoped. Feel track and signals have been sold short as were majorly affected having to move Sunday to Thursday. Even if it’s voluntary it’s just delaying the innevitable and killing any overtime etc. Not enough … !!Not everything is about the drivers. You want to do and effective strike do on a patrol night.. Nothing will move for 2 days Not reallyOnly when people were getting pay cuts and no pay rises we didPeriod … !!Strike … !!Seems fairSeems to cover all the issues Should ge guarantee Glen Harts positionShould have been kept separate Should not be a one off payment   rather an increase in your pay Stop insisting that we strike Strike … !!Sunday’s are very much a family day – I can’t see family friendly or work life balance in forcing employees to change shift patterns that they have worked for over many yearsThe amount of money in total we are losing over all the strikes will probably be more than the pay increase anyway The night tube will failThe pay is acceptable if the issues could be separated the deal would be acceptable. The pay is acceptable if the issues could be separated the deal would be acceptable. There is a budget which tfl lose in 2018/19. Will we be attacked after this deal? We usually only agree 3 years and not 4.. why?They have to honour the agreementThink it a goo offer and rmt held out well for it. Can’t imagine it being any better than that . Thanks This is a good offer! For signals there is a commitment not to get anyone to change shifts fewer maintenance hours available whichlends itself to suggesting that they will require more staff or provide more progressive training. Then they are giving people between 1.7% and 2.4% increase to do it this year. I am really happy with thatTo be quit honestTo low the changes they are making Too long TOO MUCH SEEMS UNRESOLVEDTry to show interest in track staff and not just fleet and signalsWe have been told for years that we can’t have more than the private sector now we’re told we can’t even have that. We save our powder for the bigger battles ahead.We will have lost more money than the rise is worth at this rate. I know people taking pay cuts or not getting anything at all….We work hard we should have a pay rise for all works We work hard we should have a pay rise for all works We work hard we should have a pay rise for all works Who decides that night tube is ‘successful ‘? They could just refuse us the extra night tube bonus regardless of whether it actually works or not? ?Why is it not rpi plus a quarter or a half and why is it not a flat 2% as 1% plus 500 means you do net get the extra 1% on overtime done and does the 500 £ go on your salaryWhy should we accept less than our previous deal which was designed to butter us up for the Olympics? Considering the Olympics was a 6 week period and Night Tube is a permanent change to our work life balance we should be getting at a minimum the same dealWhy wasn’t. The fact that outside contractors are still doing our work. And why wasn’t it added into the dealWork life Balance for night workers.Would prefer a shorter term offer as long term offers tie you in with no room for negotiations Yes I think it is respectable. Could be worse could have no job.

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